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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:26 pm 
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We are looking for a 5th wheel half ton towable. I am trying to find someone with the same TV set up pulling a LF295FBH with a 2016 Ram 1500 5.7 w the towing package. My truck has the trailer break 3.92 gears and no slip rear end. Of course dealer says no issue but I'm a bit Leary.
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Many dealers are honest and many are not some may not be meaning to mislead you but not know your truck. A Ram 2016 site listed 4,150 to 8,370 lbs for towing weight another 10,700 max which included all passengers, fuel, stuff, and food in the truck.
There is a sticker inside the drivers door for YOUR truck, it states the amount of weight the truck can carry. It will have a rear axle weight, a gross combined weight, and payload weight. All trucks differ depending on crewcab or regular cab, shortbed or longbed, 4x4 or 2wd drive, different engines and it changes the weight the truck can safely stop or pull. Also many 1/2 ton trucks have passenger tires on them for smoother ride but less load carrying capacity.
It is very wise to check first before finding out it will pull it safely but the mountains push it when coming to a stop or being scared if someone pulls out in front of you and it gets out of control.

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I love the floorplan in the LF295FBH.

Looking online, your max payload for your truck is about 1700 pounds, with max towing at 10,650.

http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/towing_guide/

For your choice of RV, UVW of 8995 is the unloaded weight, which is a ton under the max towing, leaving it fine for your truck. I think that's what a lot of dealers look at when determining if your vehicle can handle a rig.

The GVWR is 10,995 (the trailer plus 2000 pounds of your stuff), which puts it over your max towing ability. The pin weight is 1655 which is just barely under the threshold, but once you start loading in your gear and passengers, you're way over. The truck may be able to handle it, but it opens you up to an overloaded ticket or insurance issues should you have an accident.

https://www.highlandridgerv.com/product ... s/LF295FBH

Unfortunately (or fortunately), it looks like you'll need a new truck to tow the 295. You may get away with it because of the towing capacity and not putting much stuff in, but the pin weight would be a concern.

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We have the same truck (with Maxxis passenger tires) and have towed a LF318 for three years (about 30k miles). It's a pretty comfortable combination and we've had no problems. I should note that we stay at 6% grade or below, and the 318 is front heavy so it has a 1600 pound payload. However, the LF 318 is 1000 pounds lighter than your RV. It might work, but I would not tow an additional 1000 pounds with my truck. We've been on a few grades (Monarch Pass for example or I90 east from Seattle) that would strain the truck to the max.

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One local RV dealer will not sell any fifth wheeler to a 1/2 ton owner. A properly equipped F150 with a standard cab, no four wheel drive maybe.

Because the truck industry is so iffy on their numbers. Every option adds weight. That includes your second donut. You do know that they formally tested them bare. That was because the bed, spare tire and tailgate were options. A SAE standard for towing capacity is now used by Ram.

A #1700 payload is for a Ram without much fuel, any passengers, no hitch, no supporting frames for the hitch.

Your payload is with all of your stuff and family in a fueled up truck weighed at a truck stop subtracted from the sticker on the truck for max weight. This is the legal number. Has nothing to do with capability.

I would guess about #900-1000. Not many fifth wheels have hitch weights that low when loaded.

I was shocked when we weighed our Ram 2500 how heavy it is. We had to adjust our options for a fifth wheel.

It is said that 40% of all new fifth wheels go out overloading the payload and 4" too high.


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Go to this site for the Ram.
http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2016/docs ... up1500.pdf

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This site is very informative. http://fifthwheelst.com/

Also, http://sherline.com/product/sherline-tr ... ght-scale/ is very helpful.

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Shoreline accuracy is really poor up 300# off, have truck weighed is the only of finding out

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Irishgolf17 wrote:
We are looking for a 5th wheel half ton towable. I am trying to find someone with the same TV set up pulling a LF295FBH with a 2016 Ram 1500 5.7 w the towing package. My truck has the trailer break 3.92 gears and no slip rear end. Of course dealer says no issue but I'm a bit Leary.
Thanks in advance.


I know this is an old OP but the following info would be helpful.

View the attached PDF file to get the information you are requesting.
This is the tow rating sheet from Ram It is the offical rating, it does not matter what another site or person says.
You need to know several things to use the chart.
1 Do you have a Regular Cab, Crew Cab or Quad Cab
2. Engine, you have 5.7
3 Transmission model
4 Gears, you have 3.92
5 4x4 or 4x2
6 Box length

Once you have the above information you can use the chart to obtain your;
GVWR
Payload
Base Weight
GCWR
Max Trailer Weight Rating

Using the following and the chart here is the tow capacity of the truck
Ram 1500 Quad Cab, A8 Trans 4x4 6.4 ft box 5.7 and 3.92 gears (This most likely is the tow package setup)

GVWR ~ 6900 Lbs.
Payload ~ 1580 Lbs.
GCWR ~ 15950 Lbs.
Max Trailer weight ~ 10200 Lbs.


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rich1902 wrote:
Shoreline accuracy is really poor up 300# off, have truck weighed is the only of finding out

Rich

I never had an accuracy problem using the Sherline. It is important where you place the scale in the correct location on stable ground.

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Doc wrote:
Irishgolf17 wrote:
We are looking for a 5th wheel half ton towable. I am trying to find someone with the same TV set up pulling a LF295FBH with a 2016 Ram 1500 5.7 w the towing package. My truck has the trailer break 3.92 gears and no slip rear end. Of course dealer says no issue but I'm a bit Leary.
Thanks in advance.


I know this is an old OP but the following info would be helpful.

View the attached PDF file to get the information you are requesting.
This is the tow rating sheet from Ram It is the offical rating, it does not matter what another site or person says.
You need to know several things to use the chart.
1 Do you have a Regular Cab, Crew Cab or Quad Cab
2. Engine, you have 5.7
3 Transmission model
4 Gears, you have 3.92
5 4x4 or 4x2
6 Box length

Once you have the above information you can use the chart to obtain your;
GVWR
Payload
Base Weight
GCWR
Max Trailer Weight Rating

Using the following and the chart here is the tow capacity of the truck
Ram 1500 Quad Cab, A8 Trans 4x4 6.4 ft box 5.7 and 3.92 gears (This most likely is the tow package setup)

GVWR ~ 6900 Lbs.
Payload ~ 1580 Lbs.
GCWR ~ 15950 Lbs.
Max Trailer weight ~ 10200 Lbs.


Doc


If GCWR = truck gvwr + trailer gvwr, then 15950 - 6900 = 9050 trailer gvwr, not 10200. No?

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I used the Sherline on a new TT I bought and my 319 before I purchased.
Both times after purchase, going to CAT scale and using http://fifthwheelst.com/
the Sherline proved to be very accurate for me.

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TedS wrote:
Doc wrote:
Irishgolf17 wrote:
We are looking for a 5th wheel half ton towable. I am trying to find someone with the same TV set up pulling a LF295FBH with a 2016 Ram 1500 5.7 w the towing package. My truck has the trailer break 3.92 gears and no slip rear end. Of course dealer says no issue but I'm a bit Leary.
Thanks in advance.


I know this is an old OP but the following info would be helpful.

View the attached PDF file to get the information you are requesting.
This is the tow rating sheet from Ram It is the offical rating, it does not matter what another site or person says.
You need to know several things to use the chart.
1 Do you have a Regular Cab, Crew Cab or Quad Cab
2. Engine, you have 5.7
3 Transmission model
4 Gears, you have 3.92
5 4x4 or 4x2
6 Box length

Once you have the above information you can use the chart to obtain your;
GVWR
Payload
Base Weight
GCWR
Max Trailer Weight Rating

Using the following and the chart here is the tow capacity of the truck
Ram 1500 Quad Cab, A8 Trans 4x4 6.4 ft box 5.7 and 3.92 gears (This most likely is the tow package setup)

GVWR ~ 6900 Lbs.
Payload ~ 1580 Lbs.
GCWR ~ 15950 Lbs.
Max Trailer weight ~ 10200 Lbs.


Doc


If GCWR = truck gvwr + trailer gvwr, then 15950 - 6900 = 9050 trailer gvwr, not 10200. No?


Ted
I see what you are saying but the numbers are from the published Ram weight ratings.
They may be putting some of the trailer weight (hitch) into the payload weight.

Doc

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TedS wrote:
Doc wrote:
GVWR ~ 6900 Lbs.
Payload ~ 1580 Lbs.
GCWR ~ 15950 Lbs.
Max Trailer weight ~ 10200 Lbs.
Doc


If GCWR = truck gvwr + trailer gvwr, then 15950 - 6900 = 9050 trailer gvwr, not 10200. No?


GCWR is not that.

The truck GVWR is the max for just the truck. Trailers don't come into it.
The max trailer weight is the max that the truck can tow *independent of what cargo is in the truck*.
The GCWR is the weight the truck can handle spread between itself and what it is towing and not a summation of the two. So if the truck is fully loaded with cargo it can't handle the maximum trailer and vice-versa.

I would guess that on most if not all trucks the GCWR is less than the GVWR+max towing. In fact, I just checked on a random F150 model at ford.com and it said:

Max. GVWR: 7,050
Max. GCWR: 14,250
Max. Payload: 1,200
Max. Towing: 8,000

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Doc, I see where the truck gvwr includes the hitch load as part of the payload. Makes sense.

What would be the hitch load of a 10200 fifth wheel? 18% or 1836 lbs. That exceeds the truck payload capacity. Can't make all the numbers work out.

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HR site specs say it has a hitch weight of 1351, with a gvwr of 10995.Dave

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