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 Post subject: Re: 5th Wheel Too High?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:59 pm 
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I'd be interested pics of what they do, if you pursue this work.


At this time, I'm planning on having this shop do the work. It'll just have to be after the first of the year. They have great reviews and I felt comfortable after talking with them. I'll take a lot of pictures.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:30 pm 
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can someone pull one that rides high in the front onto a scale and show me how one axle is carrying more weight than the other?
but how do you know the back is carrying more than the front? as the rear spring loads and front spring get lighter that center piece between the springs called the equalizer raises the rear of the front springs to carry more load.

The centers of the axle are not the center of balance anyway, if it was you would have 0 tong weight.

Lower the hitch in the truck, but you will get to a point where the bottom of the camper overhang "could" hit on the upper corners of the truck bed. I did it once. came up a hill out of a gas station that transitioned on to a flat road, as I stated to turn Right onto road the RS upper rear corner of bed made contact with bottom of camper. Now I run around 5" worth of clearance when on level just avoid those type hills up to flat roads where I could make contact.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:22 pm 
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When I first got mine and it rode 6-7 inches too high the difference between the two axles was just under 200 pounds when I was empty. I don't have the scale tickets from then when I was adjusting and playing with weights, I threw them out and just have the tickets from a fully loaded for two week trip (most weight I'll ever carry).

My opinion is that running 6 inches high (or less) is not an issue regarding weight between the axles, unless you are close to the GVWR . I do think that as you start to add inches the weight shift will be more dramatic the higher it gets. In other words while one more inch might add 50 pounds, the next inch would add 100 and so on. I base this on the fact that the equalizers have limited movement and at some point just can't distribute any further.

After I got the trailer running just two inches high, I didn't care about remeasuring the difference between the axles because it became a non issue to me and not worth the time to remeasure.

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thanks Wgm32, that really supports what I was thinking. 6 to 7" high in front was only 200 lbs difference in axles. that is nothing on a 5000 lb axle. I might raise my hitch 1" to gain some additional clearance in my bed to camper clearance.

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I don't think there is a one size fits all answer to riding high / axle weights issue. Axle spacing, loaded weight of trailer, cargo placement within trailer, aerodynamics all come into play all come into play. I agree 2" off will have minimal effect. However 6" off could be a factor.

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I'm new to fifth wheeling. My '16 RAM 3500 (stock suspension) has height of bed rails at 59". My new (not yet picked up) '17 3X427bhs is 57" at the top of the pin box/bottom of coach. I'm sure I'll get 2-3" of squat but I cant figure out how I'm going to get 6" clearance once I'm hitched up. Dealership says not to worry, but I cant figure how it's not going to be 6" nose high. Please let me know your thoughts.

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Wow, I really thought I provided an update to my original post. But here is a recap and the resolution I pursued:

I own a 2015 Ram 2500 crew cab diesel short-bed. I had the dealer install a B&W Companion 5th wheel hitch. We did the delivery walk-through, hooked up and towed it home. Once home and looking at the setup from a distance, I could tell I was really nose high on the 5er. Turns out my stock suspension on the Ram places my bed higher than most. I disconnected, adjusted the kingpin to give me the lowest possible setting off the bedrails which was 5.5" and is a little close for comfort. I was still 25" from the front frame to the ground and 19" from the rear frame to the ground. Leaf springs are already on top of axles, so not a lot I could easily do to remedy my nose high situation. After a lot of research, I decided to have the 5er suspension lifted. One local company was recommended by my dealer and after talking with them, I found out they did work for a lot of western Washington dealers including insurance work and manufacturers rework. I required a 5" lift to be perfectly level but decided on 4" to keep me under 13' tall. I know it's a long winded setup to the final results but I thought important for anyone else who is uncomfortable towing nose high. All I can say is my Truck & Trailer shop did an awesome job and it tows like a dream. Pictures are at: https://flic.kr/s/aHskTaPQYf

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Glad you were able to get things sorted out. It is a bit discouraging however this issue is getting worse not better. RV and auto manufacturers need to come up with a standard/solution.
You should not have to raise your rig to match your truck. The whole scenario has become too commonplace

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Lantley wrote:
The whole scenario has become too commonplace


I couldn't agree more. As much as I enjoyed the purchasing experience with my dealer, I wish they would have been a little more up front about about the height issues or I had recognized the possible issue during my "due diligence" research for the perfect 5er. I take half the blame. When I asked "Will my truck comfortably pull this model?", they came out, looked at the truck and said "no problem". From a weight perspective, they were correct. But who knows what issues will arise in the future from towing so nose high. Since the dealer referred me to the machine shop that did the work and said that other customers had used them to raise their trailers, they were well aware of the potential issue. Live and learn. This is our third trailer, first 5er, and we absolutely love it. The dealer's service department has been awesome so far, getting us in and back on the road quickly for those minor issues that have come up. Compared to the last two dealers of our last two trailers, I will be a little more "forgiving" for this one issue.

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All I can say is my Truck & Trailer shop did an awesome job and it tows like a dream. Pictures are at: https://flic.kr/s/aHskTaPQYf

Thanks for the pics.

If you don't mind me asking, which shop did the work? There are several shops called Truck & Trailer" in the greater Seattle area.

John

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cwppwc wrote:
All I can say is my Truck & Trailer shop did an awesome job and it tows like a dream. Pictures are at: https://flic.kr/s/aHskTaPQYf

Thanks for the pics.

If you don't mind me asking, which shop did the work? There are several shops called Truck & Trailer" in the greater Seattle area.

John


I'm sorry. I was using "truck & trailer" in the generic sense. The company that did mine is: Smiley's Inc. website: http://smileysinc.com/

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cwppwc, I have the same truck & trailer. I was nose high when I 1st got them connected, I think about 3".
I lowered my pin to the last hole. My truck bed clearance is now about 6". I replace my suspension with a More/Ryde SRE4000, I think I gain about a 1/2" there. I just put new tires on so maybe I gained another 1/2". So I think I am still 1 3/4" to 2" high.
The only solution now is: replace truck tires with a a lower profile, install block risers on the suspension, replace your 15" tires/Wheels with 16",
maybe install airbags on truck only if they think it could adjust the truck lower.
Did you measure from the frame to ground in between the dual axles and then measure from the front end of frame to ground and see the difference?
You could measure from the frame at both ends of the trailer to the ground, if the difference is 6" dived that in half and you get 3" nose high.
It hard to get an accurate measurement unless your on a leveled paved lot.

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I have pulled my 337 with 2011 2500 ram 4x4 almost 30000mi. and it is nose high. I have not seen any different tire wear in the front and rear tire an. it pull nice a straight and brakes fine.

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Well, I had the B&W Companion installed today and hooked up for a test. The result was what I feared/expected. Trailer is 7" high. I have 9" clearance at the tailgate and the hitch is set at 19". I can move it down 1" to 18" which will put clearance at 8" and that will help. I could also go up 2" on pin box and that would drop it 3" total and still leave 6" clearance at the tailgate. Doing this I'll still ride 4" high. The trailer already has the Correct Track installed from factory so getting an extra 2" lift on trailer isn't an option. This is my first fifth wheel and I will be traveling full time. Really want to get it right before I hit the road. Any help would be greatly appreciated. the pin box is the Lippert 1621 HD. Would be happy to spend $ on a better pin box if it will help with the nose high issue but need it to be long jaw or sidewinder. Thank you.


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Can you have both the Correct Track and the MorRyde SRE 4000 system together
on the same fifth wheel. Will the Highland Ridge or MorRyde Service Centers
install both of these or do you have to have them done at separate places ?

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The more/Ryde will only give you an inch ay best. You can down profile size on your truck and get higher profiles for the trailer, maybe gain an inch or 2 there. You might have to get a lift kick for the trailer to raise it 4".

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