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 Post subject: Re: 5th Wheel Too High?
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 6:40 pm 
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Now you guys have me a little freaked out. I am now towing with a 2017 F250 and there's no getting away from it, this TV at stock tows high. But, how high is to high? I am fairly new to this. My dealer didn't seem at all concerned that the coach is too high but what do you all say? Thank you for your help.

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Doesn't look to high.
Measure at the frame to ground in between the 2 axles. Then measure at the very from frame edge to the ground, what's the difference?

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Doesn't look to high.
Measure at the frame to ground in between the 2 axles. Then measure at the very from frame edge to the ground, what's the difference?


She's in storage right now but I will get that information and report back. Thank you so much for your help.

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Stinger I your rig looks fine. I have owned two OR 5Wheels that towed as nose high as yours without any problems. My current rig is 4 inches nose high when in tow. At first I was concerned about unequal loading on the axles but my tire pressure monitoring system showed no difference in tire temperatures. The Lippert Equa- Flex suspension component is designed to equalize the load even if the rig is not perfectly level. I recommend installing a tire pressure monitoring system that also measures temperature. It will give you peace of mind as you travel down the road.

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Sgcole wrote:
I recommend installing a tire pressure monitoring system that also measures temperature.

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Sgcole wrote:
I recommend installing a tire pressure monitoring system that also measures temperature. It will give you peace of mind as you travel down the road.


Thank you all for your help as you've given me peace of mind. I most definitely will invest in a TPMS system, been meaning to do that anyway.

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The tire monitors will be on sale at the CHR in August if you can wait that long. The vendor TST will be there with a seminar.

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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 11:22 pm 
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RoadRatt my recommendations are to make the adjustments to the hitch and pin box you described in your post to lower your camper so that it is 4-5 inches noses high while maintaining 6-7 inches clearance above the rails. As I stated in my earlier post, I have experienced no problems towing 4-5 inches high. Install a TPMS that also monitors temperature. This will alert you if a problem does development. I have the TST brand TPMS. Install a good set of tires and monitor the tread wear pattern. If you have an uneven load issue you should be able to detect it before you have a failure. My guess is you won't have a problem.

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 8:59 am 
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I too had the same issue with my 319RLS. I thought I needed 4-5" of lift to level out my rig. However, my Camping World service manager said that, in fact, I only needed half that much. I yielded to his experience and had the Correct Trak system installed on my unit (that which, by the way' both my dealer and HR said would not void my warranty). It raised my unit about 2.5" and she rides perfectly level now!

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 9:36 am 
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I got my pin box on the lowest setting and have a6" clearence on the bed rails. I also got the More/Ryde SRE4000 gain 1/2", new tires gain another 1/2".
Now I am riding just under 2" high. Maybe next time I will go with 16" wheels and higher profile tires.

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Interesting conversation, especially for those of us with similar setups. When I picked up 319RLS from the dealer, I was 25" from front frame to ground and 19" rear frame to ground. I had 5.5" of clearance on the tailgate which disappeared to less than 1" when going over the "hump" in my driveway. I was experiencing more than average "chucking" when towing. Correct Trak was factory installed on my 5er. Stock, I have 33.4" tires on the Ram, 39.5" to the bed and 60" to top of box. Even with the 4" frame lift, I'm 1" nose high. Maybe psychosomatic, but it tows so much better now that I almost forget it is back there. This my own personal experience and your "mileage" may vary. One thing I know absolutely, I will NEVER go back to a "bumper pull."

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 11:23 am 
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I have the rear airbags on my RAM. When I drop the 5th wheel on the ho=itch the truck bed goes down a couple inches. I wished it would stay there because then my trailer is perfectly level. But no the truck airbags will auto level the truck and then the trailer nose goes up a couple inches.
I would if I was to replace my airbags with Firestones 4 wheel airbags if I could control the height of my truck?

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Thanks Sgcole

I have moved the pin box up to the top holes (lowest setting) and gained 2" and then dropped the hitch 1" (could still go 1" more) for a total drop of 3". I have the Equa-Flex and Correct Track factory installed. There is now 6" clearance at tailgate and almost 7" midway down the bed rails. The truck squat was 1.8" with the camper unloaded. I expect another 1/2" to 1" once I get the tool box installed and filled up behind the cab and fill up the camper with stuff. I'll re-measure once complete and post a picture. Sitting about 5" high right now so hopefully we'll be at 4" or less when loaded up. I purchased the TireMinder TPMS system as well. Should be here in a few days so I can monitor the pressure/temp difference (if any) between the two axles.

One more question for the group. I have the standard Lippert 1621HD King Pin and am considering purchasing either the Morryde or the FlexAir. The Morryde is right at $500 and the FlexAir is over $1k. In your experience, will either of them compound/reduce the nose high issue or will the new king pin sit at same height as the factory Lippert I have? Also, any preference on if the FlexAir is worth the $? Thank you for your help.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:20 am 
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I just installed the Mor/ryde 4000 on my 5th wheel and at the most I gained 1/2. Don't buy the More/Ryde to gain height.

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You WILL GAIN 2.5" by installing the Correct Trak system (aftermarket, not factory installed) and the ability to have your axles aligned.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:19 pm 
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Chuck, please help me understand the difference in height between a factory vs. after market Correct Track system. My 2017 3x349 RLS came with it installed at the factory.
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