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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:14 am 
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Hello all! Wife and I are looking at two models of the Open Range Ultralite..
2504BH: 5,385lbs, hitch weight 580lbs, 28'
2802BH: 5,765lbs, hitch weight 584lbs, 30'

We prefer the 2802 for the floor plan and extra seating, especially since it's only a few hundred lbs heavier. We'll be towing around the midwest, maybe a long trip from Ohio to Florida, but mainly staying in Ohio, and going to Michigan. I'm looking at the following for tow vehicles:

2017 Nissan Armada 4x4: 8,500lbs, 850lbs tongue weight, 7,500lbs GVWR, self leveling rear, 209" OAL/121" WB, 5,941lbs
2017 Chevrolet Tahoe 4x4: 8,400lbs, 850lbs tongue weight, 7,300lbs GVWR, self leveling rear, 202" OAL/116" WB, 5,631lbs

We prefer the Armada, because it slots between the Tahoe and the Suburban...only downside is I have to install an electronic brake controller aftermarket, but Nissan prewires for those apparently.

Look forward to your thoughts and thank you in advance!


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munch520 wrote:
2504BH: 5,385lbs, hitch weight 580lbs, 28'
2802BH: 5,765lbs, hitch weight 584lbs, 30'

2017 Nissan Armada 4x4: 8,500lbs, 850lbs tongue weight, 7,500lbs GVWR, self leveling rear, 209" OAL/121" WB, 5,941lbs
2017 Chevrolet Tahoe 4x4: 8,400lbs, 850lbs tongue weight, 7,300lbs GVWR, self leveling rear, 202" OAL/116" WB, 5,631lbs

Hello:

2504BH: GVWR 7400lbs, TW 700lbs, 28'
2802BH: GVWR 7450lbs, TW 596lbs, 30'

I've changed your Empty weights to Max Loaded (GVWR), the empty ratings are useless in helping pick a tow vehicle/trailer combo that will tow well and be safe.
Also added 20% to your Tongue weights since this is a realistic guess of where it will be once the trailer is loaded. (10-20% you won't know until you weigh it loaded).

If your numbers for the tow vehicles are accurate, you will be between 12-15% under your max tow rating, which is reasonable.
You would also be around 20% below your max tongue weight with these combo's.
My only concern would be if the TW ratings for the SUV's are with a full load of gear or not.

Make sure the specific vehicle your looking at, has the ratings you're quoting, with the equipment it has.
You don't want to be using max ratings for a vehicle with a different rear axle, cooling, suspension etc.

I would take a look at the tires on each tow vehicle, if they aren't LT rated tires I'd give upgrading them consideration.
LT tires have a much stiffer sidewall than P rated tires and your towing experience will be much better with them.

Good luck with your choice!

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All things being equal, the longer wheelbase is always better.

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bigdisneydaddy wrote:
All things being equal, the longer wheelbase is always better.

Good point,
The Armada is also a bit heavier, but since they are both rated to tow both trailers I'd let other things decide:
Initial price, depreciaion, resale value, reliability.
Too bad you can't hook up a new trailer to both and take them for a tow, since one will probably outperform the other.

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This may help.

http://fifthwheelst.com/

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offroad wrote:
bigdisneydaddy wrote:
All things being equal, the longer wheelbase is always better.

Good point,
The Armada is also a bit heavier, but since they are both rated to tow both trailers I'd let other things decide:
Initial price, depreciaion, resale value, reliability.
Too bad you can't hook up a new trailer to both and take them for a tow, since one will probably outperform the other.


Thanks we love both but the solid rear axle and shorter WB of the Tahoe really cramps 3rd row and cargo space. And the armada (platinum) comes with much more in way of standard features (LED headlights, adaptive cruise, surround camera, etc vs the comparably priced Tahoe (loaded LT trim). Even if we sprang for a Yukon Denali, there's no offered front camera, which is a must for our tight garage. Local dealer also offers lifetime powertrain warranty so that's a plus.

We have a horse farm so I may take an extended test drive with both and hook up a 7-horse trailer to see how it feels.


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offroad wrote:
munch520 wrote:
2504BH: 5,385lbs, hitch weight 580lbs, 28'
2802BH: 5,765lbs, hitch weight 584lbs, 30'

2017 Nissan Armada 4x4: 8,500lbs, 850lbs tongue weight, 7,500lbs GVWR, self leveling rear, 209" OAL/121" WB, 5,941lbs
2017 Chevrolet Tahoe 4x4: 8,400lbs, 850lbs tongue weight, 7,300lbs GVWR, self leveling rear, 202" OAL/116" WB, 5,631lbs

Hello:

2504BH: GVWR 7400lbs, TW 700lbs, 28'
2802BH: GVWR 7450lbs, TW 596lbs, 30'

I've changed your Empty weights to Max Loaded (GVWR), the empty ratings are useless in helping pick a tow vehicle/trailer combo that will tow well and be safe.
Also added 20% to your Tongue weights since this is a realistic guess of where it will be once the trailer is loaded. (10-20% you won't know until you weigh it loaded).

If your numbers for the tow vehicles are accurate, you will be between 12-15% under your max tow rating, which is reasonable.
You would also be around 20% below your max tongue weight with these combo's.
My only concern would be if the TW ratings for the SUV's are with a full load of gear or not.

Make sure the specific vehicle your looking at, has the ratings you're quoting, with the equipment it has.
You don't want to be using max ratings for a vehicle with a different rear axle, cooling, suspension etc.

I would take a look at the tires on each tow vehicle, if they aren't LT rated tires I'd give upgrading them consideration.
LT tires have a much stiffer sidewall than P rated tires and your towing experience will be much better with them.

Good luck with your choice!


Thanks for all the help, really valuable info.

I'll have to look at how much gear we'll be packing...my goal would be to have most of it in the trailer, and there shouldn't be much as these would all be weekend trips, 3 days max probably until the kids are older. So beyond a couple small bags, passenger weight in the truck would be 195+125+50+40 for passengers.

The Armada Platinum comes with all the stuff as far as towing standard, and as I understand it gear ratio varies by gear so I need to look into that further. The Tahoe LT we were specing is with the max trailer towing package, which adds stiffer spring rate, rear air leveling, and an electronic brake controller. It's a lot to keep track of but I'm a gear head and definitely get into this, I'll make sure we get a 4x4 with all the proper trailering goodies.

Great point on tires I'll have to look into that!


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Bigdisneydaddy, I have a short or standard bed Ram for pulling my 5th wheel. Are you saying a long wheel base truck is better for pulling a 5th wheel?

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earlelaineb wrote:
Bigdisneydaddy, I have a short or standard bed Ram for pulling my 5th wheel. Are you saying a long wheel base truck is better for pulling a 5th wheel?


I have no experience with 5th wheels so I couldn't say.
The original question was for a bumper pull setup and that was what my comment was aimed towards.
I have a 6 1/2 ft box crew cab 2500HD.

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"Bigdisneydaddy, I have a short or standard bed Ram for pulling my 5th wheel. Are you saying a long wheel base truck is better for pulling a 5th wheel?"

Earl,

A long bed will give you more stability when towing. You don't have to worry about needing a slider hitch. Sometimes it's a little trickier backing up to get into a tight space,
but I wouldn't have anything else for pulling a fiver.

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What did you decide? We have a 2016 Tahoe 2WD with tow package and it can tow up to 8,600#. We are also looking at the exact same trailers. I'm concerned with pulling the 2802BH length but everything I've read says I should be okay. I'm curious what you did?


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SouthsideAg wrote:
What did you decide? We have a 2016 Tahoe 2WD with tow package and it can tow up to 8,600#. We are also looking at the exact same trailers. I'm concerned with pulling the 2802BH length but everything I've read says I should be okay. I'm curious what you did?


So we have to wait a bit for the armadas since they're new this year. No great deals yet so were waiting til the end of the year.

We decided on that because for the same money as the loaded Tahoe LT 4x4 we get more power, more space, more features, and a lifetime powertrain warranty through our dealership (while chevy actually backed their powertrain warranty down after 2015).

Once we get he armada we're going to grab a 7-10 horse trailer from our farm or rent a big travel trailer to road test it. And go from there!


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I bought my 5th wheel 1st and then I went out and bought a new truck base on the requirements. When I was shopping for a trailer the trailer kept getting bigger and bigger, glad I wait to get the truck or I would have been going down the road like the other 40% of the trucks that are at max weight or over weight.
We forget to add the 300lbs to 400lbs for 2 people in the truck, 250lbs of fuel or your wife's 30 pairs of shoes : )

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