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16k hitch with a 14,800 lb. 376FBH
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Author:  Secoda [ Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:06 pm ]
Post subject:  16k hitch with a 14,800 lb. 376FBH

I never gave it much thought and our dealer has been great for a decade with three RVs and two very large ones. They sell a lot of large RVs. They installed a Husky 16k hitch in our 2016 F-350 Long Bed 6.7L turbo diesel and it pulls the 376 great but...... I weighed the rig and loaded the 376 wheel is about 14,800 lbs. and the truck is about 8000 lbs. for a total of about 22,800 lbs. loaded. Is the 14,800 lb. RV pushing the limits of the 16k rated hitch? As I said it pulls very well with smooth start and stop transitions. With the long bed there is no slide and the hitch seems very solid, strong, and simple. Just wondering during the off-season for us from folks that are very knowledgeable with hitch sizing. I really like the hitch as it is easy to hook up and tows well. Very little play.

Thanks.

Author:  Doc [ Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 16k hitch with a 14,800 lb. 376FBH

Not sure how you did the weight to arrive at 14800.
If the wheels of the trailer are 14800 on a truck scale you still have the pin weight of 2785 which would put you over for your 16K.
Your GVWR is 16460 which would also put you over the 16K hitch, if you are in an accident they will look at the GVWR and the hitch rating.
The weight of the truck has nothing to do with the hitch rating, as I see the published GVWR and pin weight of the trailer you are over the 16K rating of the trailer.
I would jump up to a 18K or 20K hitch.

If you are going to be at the 2018 Coming Home Rally there will be a crew from the RV safety and Education Foundation there to weigh rigs and present seminars.
They weigh each tire and give you a report of the overall distribution of the weight.

Doc

Author:  Secoda [ Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 16k hitch with a 14,800 lb. 376FBH

Please don't question my numbers and just answer the question if you know. The RV weighs 14,800 lbs. in total (the head, the tail, the whole damn thing) period (and that was really loaded up to get a conservative weight on the Cat scale). The hitch is rated for 16k. The hitch pin weight limit is 4000 lbs.. The RV is under the hitch rating by over a thousand lbs. Is this cutting it too close for bumps, stains, and other occurrences or is that "built" into the rating. If you don't know - don't try to answer. This is more of a dealer question but my dealer says it's fine and eTrailer which is local also had told me it was fine. Just curious what others with expert knowledge thought.

Thanks

Doc wrote:
Not sure how you did the weight to arrive at 14800.
If the wheels of the trailer are 14800 on a truck scale you still have the pin weight of 2785 which would put you over for your 16K.
Your GVWR is 16460 which would also put you over the 16K hitch, if you are in an accident they will look at the GVWR and the hitch rating.
The weight of the truck has nothing to do with the hitch rating, as I see the published GVWR and pin weight of the trailer you are over the 16K rating of the trailer.
I would jump up to a 18K or 20K hitch.

If you are going to be at the 2018 Coming Home Rally there will be a crew from the RV safety and Education Foundation there to weigh rigs and present seminars.
They weigh each tire and give you a report of the overall distribution of the weight.

Doc

Author:  Lantley [ Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 16k hitch with a 14,800 lb. 376FBH

If you feel 14800 is as heavy as you will ever be. Than 16K is OK/fine. The hitch is rated to carry the full 16K. Rough roads and bumps are accounted for. 1200 lbs is still a bit of margin before reaching 16K

Author:  starhm [ Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 16k hitch with a 14,800 lb. 376FBH

Hello,

"Determine the heaviest weight of the trailer being towed. The trailer weight should not exceed its gross vehicle weight rating. You can find the gross weight rating in the trailer's owner's manual, or on a nomenclature plate mounted to the side of the trailer. To calculate the needed hitch size, figure that the trailer will weigh its gross vehicle rated weight when you are towing it."

https://itstillruns.com/determine-size- ... 96127.html

Sounds like the hitch capacity is a straight math problem based on the maximum weight of the trailer. The confusing part is determining actual hitch weight. I included the link to the paragraph I posted.

I think that Doc is pointing out that the 376 5er has a weight capacity (GVWR) that is higher than 16k. If you were to load to the 5er to maximum by adding water and loaded tanks, there is a reasonable chance that 16k hitch will not be enough. Correct me if I am wrong, Doc. At 14,800, if that is the most you are going to load, you should be good. What is the GVWR for that trailer? Your hitch should be able to handle that to keep you safe. I understand this can be frustrating trying to figure out sometimes. I am sorry you are frustrated.

Jerry

Author:  Doc [ Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 16k hitch with a 14,800 lb. 376FBH

Secoda wrote:
Please don't question my numbers and just answer the question if you know. The RV weighs 14,800 lbs. in total (the head, the tail, the whole damn thing) period (and that was really loaded up to get a conservative weight on the Cat scale). The hitch is rated for 16k. The hitch pin weight limit is 4000 lbs.. The RV is under the hitch rating by over a thousand lbs. Is this cutting it too close for bumps, stains, and other occurrences or is that "built" into the rating. If you don't know - don't try to answer. This is more of a dealer question but my dealer says it's fine and eTrailer which is local also had told me it was fine. Just curious what others with expert knowledge thought.

Thanks

Doc wrote:
Not sure how you did the weight to arrive at 14800.
If the wheels of the trailer are 14800 on a truck scale you still have the pin weight of 2785 which would put you over for your 16K.
Your GVWR is 16460 which would also put you over the 16K hitch, if you are in an accident they will look at the GVWR and the hitch rating.
The weight of the truck has nothing to do with the hitch rating, as I see the published GVWR and pin weight of the trailer you are over the 16K rating of the trailer.
I would jump up to a 18K or 20K hitch.

If you are going to be at the 2018 Coming Home Rally there will be a crew from the RV safety and Education Foundation there to weigh rigs and present seminars.
They weigh each tire and give you a report of the overall distribution of the weight.

Doc


I was quoting the weights from the specs from Highland Ridge web page maybe you should look at them before asking questions.
I was trying to help you because you asked.

Author:  Doc [ Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 16k hitch with a 14,800 lb. 376FBH

starhm wrote:
Hello,

"Determine the heaviest weight of the trailer being towed. The trailer weight should not exceed its gross vehicle weight rating. You can find the gross weight rating in the trailer's owner's manual, or on a nomenclature plate mounted to the side of the trailer. To calculate the needed hitch size, figure that the trailer will weigh its gross vehicle rated weight when you are towing it."

https://itstillruns.com/determine-size- ... 96127.html

Sounds like the hitch capacity is a straight math problem based on the maximum weight of the trailer. The confusing part is determining actual hitch weight. I included the link to the paragraph I posted.

I think that Doc is pointing out that the 376 5er has a weight capacity (GVWR) that is higher than 16k. If you were to load to the 5er to maximum by adding water and loaded tanks, there is a reasonable chance that 16k hitch will not be enough. Correct me if I am wrong, Doc. At 14,800, if that is the most you are going to load, you should be good. What is the GVWR for that trailer? Your hitch should be able to handle that to keep you safe. I understand this can be frustrating trying to figure out sometimes. I am sorry you are frustrated.

Jerry

I was also pointing out if he was ever in an accident where the hitch failed they will NOT take the actual wt of the trailer but the GVWR and put that agents the wt rating of the hitch, in that case he would be over weight for the hitch.
Apparently he does not need help, he already knows the answer!

Doc

Author:  handirifle [ Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 16k hitch with a 14,800 lb. 376FBH

I agree with you Doc. The wording in the question stated "wheel weight" (what ever that is supposed to be) indicating to me, weight of the axles, and not calculating in the pin weight. You did not deserve to be jumped on for your answer. The trailer GVWR is OVER 16K and thus neither the hitch manufacturer nor an insurance company will back him up in an accident.

In a serious accident no one would be able to accurately weigh a wrecked trailer, so they will go by GVWR if it becomes an issue. With that trailer he should be using an 18K hitch, period.

If you have to ask if it's safe when the numbers are that close, it isn't.

Author:  raineyj32 [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 16k hitch with a 14,800 lb. 376FBH

I have the same trailer you do, and I personally wouldn't pull it with a 16k hitch, but that's just me. My hitch is 18k.

Author:  PacificNorthwestYeti [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 16k hitch with a 14,800 lb. 376FBH

Doc wrote:
starhm wrote:
Hello,

"Determine the heaviest weight of the trailer being towed. The trailer weight should not exceed its gross vehicle weight rating. You can find the gross weight rating in the trailer's owner's manual, or on a nomenclature plate mounted to the side of the trailer. To calculate the needed hitch size, figure that the trailer will weigh its gross vehicle rated weight when you are towing it."

https://itstillruns.com/determine-size- ... 96127.html

Sounds like the hitch capacity is a straight math problem based on the maximum weight of the trailer. The confusing part is determining actual hitch weight. I included the link to the paragraph I posted.

I think that Doc is pointing out that the 376 5er has a weight capacity (GVWR) that is higher than 16k. If you were to load to the 5er to maximum by adding water and loaded tanks, there is a reasonable chance that 16k hitch will not be enough. Correct me if I am wrong, Doc. At 14,800, if that is the most you are going to load, you should be good. What is the GVWR for that trailer? Your hitch should be able to handle that to keep you safe. I understand this can be frustrating trying to figure out sometimes. I am sorry you are frustrated.

Jerry

I was also pointing out if he was ever in an accident where the hitch failed they will NOT take the actual wt of the trailer but the GVWR and put that agents the wt rating of the hitch, in that case he would be over weight for the hitch.
Apparently he does not need help, he already knows the answer!

Doc


X2 with Doc, also know that if you are in an accident, the insurance and DOT, state cops,etc , only care/recognise about the GVWR sticker,( not what you actually weighed it at, the max weight possible ). I have seen cases where insurance not only wont cover it, but DOT will fine you for not being properly equipped. Of course since you aren't required to scale no one will know unless you are in an accident. Aside from having my CDl, I have a decade + of experience with emergency services. Just my knowledge, Happy trails and Safe travels

Author:  Lantley [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 16k hitch with a 14,800 lb. 376FBH

This thread has gone from one end to the other. The OP is safe towing his 14800 loaded RV with a 16K hitch.
He is not stressing the hitch or at his limits at the 14,800 actual weight.
I agree the OP could have more clearly stated his question.
Nevertheless the OP already owns the hitch and has been using it with no issues.
The idea that the OP is going to have an accident and the sky is going to fall really does not pertain to the original question. The 16K hitch is fine as long as the OP keeps his actual weight below 16K. A certified dated CAT scale ticket will go a long way towards validating the OP's actual weight.

Author:  handirifle [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 16k hitch with a 14,800 lb. 376FBH

Personally I chimed in because of the way the OP reacted to Doc's answer. If the OP was so secure in his setup why did he ask, and then jump on Doc for what, in my opinion, he already knew. To me, it's like cheating on your taxes (or similar) and then asking someone else to justify it.

Is it safe? maybe. The manufacturers put those numbers on there for a reason. Do we always abide by them? No. Just do not ask someone else to justify it, or jump on them when they do not.

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