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 Post subject: Towing a RF374BHS
PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:58 pm 
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Currently have a Chevy 2500 gas, looking at numbers I'm under the towing weight but be over the max combined rating and few hundred over the payload when we are all seated in the truck......can't upgrade truck as it's brand new.....being extra careful and slower, allowing more braking distance is this a really bad idea? I can upgrade to airbags to offset the payload.....

Trailer -12,300 dry
Hitch weight 2520
Truck tows 14,000 max 5th wheel
6000lb truck 2630 max hitch
21,000 max combined


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:35 pm 
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I can tell you I would never exceed the ratings of my truck. In fact I like to be 10 to 15 percent under the max for the truck. I know others may disagree. Remember those ratings are based on all things being perfect. Perfect brakes, tires, no worn springs and such. That's why I feel it best to put that buffer in my calculations. One fear I would have is the lawsuit that would follow if (GOD forbid) you were ever in an accident and found to be over weight. Just one man's opinion

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Rkleland wrote:
I can upgrade to airbags to offset payload...

I think you'll find that bags can't help you with payload...

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Your Chevy truck actually doesn't have springs. It has leafs. And there is no such thing as having them wear out. It is unlikely, but they can break. But using the term "wearing out" makes no logical mechanical sense. If they break it likely would be easy to see because they are completely exposed behind the rear tire in the wheel well and your truck would likely sag to one side.

You have three choices:air bags, helper leafs or suspension bumpers. My suggestion is for you to research Hellwig Helper Leafs. They require no pressure adjustments and have no extra pumps or setup. They only are engaged when a heavy load requires them to be. They are easy to install and add up to 3,500 load capacity to your truck. I used them on a 2005 Silverado 2500 when I had the same load capacity problems you have described. They solved my problem. I have a lift and it only took a little over a hour to install the pair. IMO a much better option for your truck then adding air bags.


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Rkleland wrote:
6000lb truck 2630 max hitch


Not sure where you got these numbers from but your truck does not weigh 6000lbs. Where did you get the max hitch weigh? Is this your max cargo capacity with the truck.

Your truck just won't have the power to move that trailer. You will be going 35-45 at 4.5krpms to climb any hill. Those are bullet proof motors and is why they still use them but they are not power houses. I camp with someone who tows all over with his chevy 2500 6.0 and has over 100k miles. No one will travel with him as he just can't keep up with his 14k fifth wheel. He always has made it there but it takes him quite a while longer.

I do not think you will be happy at all and should look at some of the Roamer trailers that are lighter that have the same layout.

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You need to look at a realistic load and not the empty weight, too. The GVWR of the 374BHS is 16,470# which with the weight of your truck is already over the limit of the max total weight of the truck+trailer+cargo even before you add in the cargo in the truck itself.

From the specs:
UVW 12,300
Hitch Weight 2,520
GVWR 16,470

Do they do hitch weights in the specs based on empty (UVW) or full (GVWR)?

BTW, according to Chevy 2500's do run 5700# to 7500#.

http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/chevrol ... .tab1.html

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Weight of truck right off the sticker is 5750. So my 6000 was over estimate...the trailer gvwr of 16k includes 2200 lbs of water/black/gray...I'd never tow that even with a 3500 Diesel... 12300 unloaded plus 200 Washer/dryer and 1000 lbs of clothes and gear 13500. That leaves another 500 before I'm pushing it. d love to but I'm not replacing the truck for a few years....this is the trailer that fits our needs ATM ...all the numbers point to I'm under but close.......that 16k gvwr is crazy...no one would ever tow with all the tanks full and they calculate gvwr with all tanks fill.


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Rkleland wrote:
Weight of truck right off the sticker is 5750. So my 6000 was over estimate...the trailer gvwr of 16k includes 2200 lbs of water/black/gray...I'd never tow that even with a 3500 Diesel... 12300 unloaded plus 200 Washer/dryer and 1000 lbs of clothes and gear 13500. That leaves another 500 before I'm pushing it. d love to but I'm not replacing the truck for a few years....this is the trailer that fits our needs ATM ...all the numbers point to I'm under but close.......that 16k gvwr is crazy...no one would ever tow with all the tanks full and they calculate gvwr with all tanks fill.

What is the payload rating of the truck. Should also be on the sticker

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:50 pm 
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Payload is 3094, 5th wheel max is 14,200

Trailer hitch weight is 2520 unloaded gwvr is 12300.....


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For me I consider the 2500 Chevy gasser a bad idea. Based on the numbers given you will be close or a bit over your ratings. What year is your truck? I don't think the gasser will have enough engine power and no exhaust brake is also a big issue for me.
You may get by temporarily with your current truck if you stay on flat terrain. Definitely stay out of the mountains.
In the end I see a stressful tow with your current truck and a new truck in your future.

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It's a 2016 so long term it will get replaced, trailer will be a parked trailer for then next 5 yrs...just moving as need based on city rules for long term cites.....after that likley replace the truck with a Diesel.....


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Rkleland wrote:
Payload is 3094, 5th wheel max is 14,200

Trailer hitch weight is 2520 unloaded gwvr is 12300.....


At the end of the day this is your call and you seem to want to do it no matter what. You left out some pretty relevant info like leaving it on a seasonal site. No one is trying to attack you or tell you your stupid, at least I'm not, but I'm going to call some of your numbers once again into question. This is to help you fully understand everything so you can make the informed decision based on actual correct info and not what salesman say.

You say truck weighs 5750, I still am going to say this is wrong. Just for reference, my 16 durango with a v6 weighs 5500lbs, my last 2012 ram 1500 weighed 5700lbs and my buddies 2016 ram 1500 limited weighs 5900lbs. The gvwr on a 2500 gm is 9500, subtract the stickered payload you said of 3095 and your at 6405lbs. That's 655lbs from what you saying. The link someone provided said a 2wd reg cab 8' bed base model truck weighed that. I assumed you at the minimum had a 4 door as you are buying a bunk house model and that's why I felt these numbers were wrong right from the start.

Now I agree that some judgment should be used when calculating actual weight of the camper and not the gvwr, which is extremely high for this camper. Most don't have the high payload of this camper. Im expecting mine to weigh 14-14.5k loaded ready to camp. I loaded 1000lbs in my TT pre kids and know it went up but not sure how much, I know it wasn't by a crazy amount.

I also have to question why you said you would never tow 16k lbs with a 3500 diesel but feel it's fine to tow 2500lbs less with a 2500 gas truck. Gas motors on average have half the torque at twice the rpms than diesels do. This just doesn't make sense at all to me.

Now if I had a gas truck and was only moving this camper to and from a single site once a year I can't say I would think twice about using a 2500 gas truck. As I stated and others did the tow will be slow and probably at a high rpm but I wouldn't upgrade either. Now I have no clue where you live, what the terrain is, or if this is really what you plan on doing.

If you feel I'm telling you anything incorrect please ask questions, I'm only trying to help and provide the most correct info. Good luck with the search!

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Rkleland wrote:
Trailer -12,300 dry
the trailer gvwr of 16k includes 2200 lbs of water/black/gray

Keep in mind the dry weight includes no options such as a 2nd A/C, no batteries, no propane.
All units will be above this when they leave the dealers lot, so the UVW rating of 12,300 is a meaningless number.

The RV's GVWR of 16,470 is what you should pay attention to, as by the time it's loaded with all your gear you will likely be close to this.
Also, I've never heard that GVWR is calculated with full tanks.

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The GVWR of a trailer is a limit, i.e., "don't go above this". Your actual weight is going to depend on how you load it. That said, you do need to look at that when figuring out your tow.

But unless you actually load everything up and hit a CAT scale or something all the load numbers are just estimates. I figured the cargo capacity of ours was really huge and we'd go nowhere near it. We didn't exceed it once everything was loaded but we came a lot closer than I thought we would.

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Both BillSeurer and offroad make good points. you will need to go to the scales if you are serious about finding out where you stand within your parameters and how capable your truck really is.
For optimum towing performance, You need to be within all your parameters not just a couple

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